Tuesday, April 26, 2011

FOUND!!! God Particle Detected (Article Reprint)

This is just too good to be true, but then again so is life, and so is God! I had to repost the reprint..is this a typo? Only God knows! Yes indeed, only God knows! So maybe this is where Big Daddy is? Well at least this does qualify the quanitative analyses somewhat and all that money spent at CERN. So what did you do today? I found God! Literally. It is a God particle! "Right..." Let me get my head around "God" and "Particle" for a moment...PLEASE? tHANKS! jj


This track is an example of simulated data modelled for the CMS detector on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN. Here a Higgs boson is produced and then decays into two jets of hadrons and two electrons. The lines represent the possible paths of particles produced by the proton-proton collision in the detector while the energy these particles deposit is shown in blue.

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A rumor is floating around the physics community that the world's largest atom smasher may have detected a long-sought subatomic particle called the Higgs boson, also known as the "God particle."

The controversial rumor is based on what appears to be a leaked internal note from physicists at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a 17-mile-long particle accelerator near Geneva, Switzerland. It's not entirely clear at this point if the memo is authentic, or what the data it refers to might mean — but the note already has researchers talking.

The buzz started when an anonymous commenter recently posted an abstract of the note on Columbia University mathematician Peter Woit's blog, Not Even Wrong.

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Some physicists say the note may be a hoax, while others believe the "detection" is likely a statistical anomaly that will disappear upon further study. But the find would be a huge particle-physics breakthrough, if it holds up.

"If it were to be real, it would be really exciting," said physicist Sheldon Stone of Syracuse University.

Hunting for the Higgs

The Higgs boson is predicted to exist by prevailing particle-physics theory, which is known as the Standard Model. Physicists think the Higgs bestows mass on all the other particles — but they have yet to confirm its existence.

Huge atom smashers — like the LHC and the Tevatron, at Fermilab in Illinois — are searching for the Higgs and other subatomic bits of matter. These accelerators slam particles together at enormous speeds, generating a shower of other particles that could include the Higgs or other elemental pieces predicted by theory but yet to be detected. [Wacky Physics: The Coolest Little Particles in Nature]

The leaked note suggests that the LHC's ATLAS particle-detection experiment may have picked up a signature of the elusive Higgs. The signal is consistent, in mass and other characteristics, with what the Higgs is expected to produce, according to the note.

However, some other aspects of the signal don't match predictions.

"Its production rate is much higher than that expected for the Higgs boson in the Standard Model," Stone told SPACE.com in an email interview. So the signal may be evidence of some other particle, Stone added, "which in some sense would be even more interesting, or it could be the result of new physics beyond the Standard Model."

Too soon to tell

Stone was quick to point out that the note is not an official result of the ATLAS research team. Therefore, speculating about its validity or implications is decidedly preliminary.

"It is actually quite illegitimate and unscientific to talk publicly about internal collaboration material before it is approved," Stone said. "So this 'result' is not a result until the collaboration officially releases it."

Other researchers joined Stone in urging patience and caution before getting too excited about the possible discovery.

"Don't worry, Higgs boson! I would never spread scurrilous rumors about you. Unlike some people," Caltech physicist Sean Carroll tweeted today (April 22).

While it's still early, some researchers have already begun to cast doubt on the possible detection. For example, Tommaso Dorigo — a particle physicist at Fermilab and CERN, which operates the LHC — thinks the signal is false and will fade upon closer inspection.

Dorigo — who said he doesn't have access to the full ATLAS memo — gives several reasons for this viewpoint. He points out, for example, that scientists at Fermilab didn't see the putative Higgs signal in their Tevatron data, which covered similar ground as the ATLAS experiment.

Dorigo feels strongly enough, in fact, to put his money where his mouth is.

"I bet $1,000 with whomever has a name and a reputation in particle physics (this is a necessary specification, because I need to be sure that the person taking the bet will honor it) that the signal is not due to Higgs boson decays," he wrote on his blog today. "I am willing to bet that this is NO NEW PARTICLE. Clear enough?"

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Anna Nagy 22 hours ago

Please! Dreamers and Deceived ones! When in movies scientists wanna play gods nothing good comes out of it! I do not think it is any different in real life! Look what we are creating on Earth with our "evolved minds". Toxic garbage in our air, water and soil. Manipulating the natural ways and creating freaks! Create something and a few years later have to recreate something else to countereffect the damage what the "first creation" caused. And just a side note: How much does it cost to us (taxpayers) and the enviroment?
I wish these "geniuses" would put their effort, money and energy to cleaning up our "households" all over the globe instead of reaching up and catching nothing!.
That would be a real achivements they could be proud off!
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Jeff Carle 2 hours ago

Okay, maybe someone who equates movies with real life shouldn't be commenting here. I'm sure there's plenty of room for you at E! Online or SyFy.com.

Forrest Crock 14 hours ago

You realize that the same science helped with anti-biotics, new pain medicines, new medical procedures, the internet, etc. There is no right or wrong to a scientific find, it is up to us to use it responsibly. Yes sometimes it backfires on us, but you wouldn't be typing a comment on your computer if it weren't for science. If you really have an issue with it I am sure there is a deserted island somewhere in the world where we can drop you off on and you can go about your life living as if no science had ever been done.

Steven Crum 19 hours ago

Do you even know what you just said. If you're going to be poetic at least make sense.

Johnny Jurgens 2 days ago

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James Campbell 2 days ago

I really wish people would stop calling it the god particle. ALL THE HIGGS IS, IS A PARTICLE THAT GIVES ALL OTHER PARTICLES MASS. IT'S THE MESSENGER PARTICLE FOR MASS! It's not a mysterious particle that caused the universe, or made the universe, or god in any way. God particle was just a tongue in cheek anaolgy as mass wouldn't exist without it.
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Jerry Chaney 14 hours ago

Regardless what they call it. What the average person wants to know is what the silly particle will do for us? Will it make a better grilled cheese sandwich? Will it allow me to travel to the stars? Will it allow us to terraform mars? The answer to all of those is no, so whats the point?
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James Campbell 47 minutes ago

Actually since no one knows the actual properties you can not make questions and assume the answer is no to any of those questions. Also I do not see what you put some questions above others. How about understanding a building a model that explains the universe? Not big enough for you you must make it have a purpose? Even though that logic is flawed and if we ran under that we would be in the stone age today, ever think about the implications of harnessing a particle that gives other particles mass?

Gary Lee 4 hours ago

It might very well make better metals, better medical therapies, help us figure out how to clean up a mess like Fukashima, or yes, travel to the stars. It might also result in bigger and badder bombs. Or new communications technologies. Or something we haven't even thought of wanting yet. Pure research is like that.

Sterling Camden 21 hours ago

Amen ;)

anadish pal 2 days ago

The discovery of gravity’s exact mechanism along with that of dark matter has already taken place, way back in fall 2010. It is impossible to find any traces of Higgs boson as a QCD particle in the Hadron collider, neither can it solve the mystery of dark matter. The details of my discovery of how gravitation exactly works, http://www.anadish.com/ , and how it is produced in the framework of quantum mechanics are lying in wraps with the USPTO and I can only make it entirely public after there is clarity on how the USPTO is going to settle the issue of secrecy on my application. I consciously did not report to any peer-reviewed journal, fearing discrimination and possible piracy, because of my non-institutional status as a researcher. However, if the USPTO also continues with their non-committal secrecy review under LARS Level 2, then, anyway, my discovery may not get published for a long time to come, in spite of me having filed the US patent application (US 13/045,558) on March 11, 2011, after filing a mandatory Indian patent application on January 11, 2011.
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James Campbell 2 days ago

Dude, just stop. No one is buying it.

First you tell us that you that you know the truth of how this stuff works but provide no evidence.

You try and make out peer review to be evil when it's our BEST most ESTABLISHED way of verifing data. Not only that but until something goes through peer review it can be determined false whether your data looks correct or not. The point of peer review is to make sure no bias scientists are making false data, or perhaps misrepresenting data, or making sure they didn't screw up. Until you go through peer review you are a disgrace to scientists if you say you know it's true before you go through peer review AS THAT IS WHAT IS USED TO DETERMINE THAT IT IS ACCURATE. Until thousands of random sientists of varying beliefs take your data, and find the flaws or expose them or find out they are true you have ABSOLUTELY nothing. Beliving it yourself is a disgrace until peer review happens.

It's hilarious you think you'll face discrimination, you already assume that if you enter it into peer review they will rip it apart. I hope they do because you probably have nothing there. Discrimination doesn't exist in peer review except against one thing, false things. Yes peer review discriminates against false data, so what that is a good thing.

Also then you try and say you need a patent for it. Automatically you will win a nobel prize for this and win a million dollers so whatever patent or way you think you are going to sell general physics knowledge to others and why you require a patent I have no clue for other then a way to disguise your story.

Sir, if you have research or calculations that pertain to gravity and you think you are right, either submit them for peer review and release them to the public or don't bother posting.
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anadish pal 1 days ago

@James Campbell

Discoveries are not patentable. The technologies based on principles of science are. So, please, do not consider that my reportings can be patented as physics lessons. And, please, do not impatient, as soon as the USPTO comes out with a decision, the details shall be subjected to peer review, naturally. However, may I remind you that filing for a utility patent not only officially discloses the details but also provides me with a date stamp, which, being an outsider, I could have missed after a possible rejection by a journal. With the dateline fixed, we can review the physics and experimental evidence of my work at leisure very soon. Further, please, do not sound Draconian by giving orders of not posting, when the whole net is boiling over just an anonymous rumor -- even you are reading it with interest, aren't you?
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James Campbell 16 hours ago

Testamonials especially from you and no one else only lession your claim dude. No one cares what you say until you demonstrate it's true. Until then regardless whether it's true or not you are going about it the wrong way and appear to others as a liar who is insulting the scientific community by thinking you are somehow superior to them that you won't publish your results.

Whether what you have or not is worth the paper it's worth on is irrelevant. You can have a million dollers located in an un-openinable box. It might as well not exist, just like you claiming you have the answers but will never publish them, so even if you have an answer it's irrelevant till tested and verified it might as well not of been discovered by you at all if you want to be greedy and paranoid and try to get undeserved sympathy from others.

You would be a disgrace to the scientific community if they had to read your justification for witholding possible theories.

Michael White 1 days ago

This guy is no better than the 3:00 am get better gas mileage sellers who only offer testimonials. You need proof that is what peer review is for. Publish in a real scientific journal, not just your website. Show your work. If it can be independently replicated using your notes the it's your discovery and hell they might name it after you.
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Forrest Crock 14 hours ago

Thank you James and Michael.

Pleasant Pillai 2 days ago

Very interesting indeed. There is however never going to be a complete model that explains everything. http://www.iampleasant.com/

Carol Ledesma Walters 2 days ago


Chuck Davis 3 days ago

Heck, I didn't see me in there!

Steven Goldfarb 3 days ago

Finding the Higgs in ATLAS only requires a little music:


Harvey Bohn 3 days ago

Dark matter hasn't been proven exist because it's based on flawed theory. Experiments can show what can happen, but math is the only thing you can prove.
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Stephen Walker 2 days ago


Dark matter has indeed been proven to exist. It's necessary to explain the flatness of galaxy rotation curves as well as the velocity dispersion of galaxies in clusters, because any baryons at the necessary density would emit some form of EM radiation or collapse to form stars.
Cosmic microwave background studies (especially with the WMAP results) indicate that roughly 5 times more dark matter exists than normal matter.
The only other theory that explains any one of these things is MOND, but it cannot explain the CMB results.
Please know a little about what you're talking about before making such a bold claim.
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David Branca 2 days ago

Just pointing out, plugging dark matter in as a reason for "velocity dispersion of galaxies in clusters" its actually just one of many theories...See link. While its to my own belief that dark matter does exist, it hasn't truly been proven.

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James Campbell 2 days ago

The point he was trying to get at is that is is proven something is causing the expansion. When scientists say dark matter, they mean matter of some sort which we can not see. In fact it dictates the matter can be simply matter that doesn't reflect light or produce light and matter that is to dim for us to pick up. We only see about 25% of the matter thats there. We do not call it dark matter as dark matter is a specific thing, we call it dark matter as it's there we just don't know what it is, being normal matter thats just not visible to being a new matter that doesn't produce light and makes up bulk or both.

So when someone in the future says dark matter has been proven to exist they are correct to an extent and so are you to an extent. The problem is that people are being to generalized when saying something has been proven so people get upset and like you did make a rebbutal to something the person wasn't arguing or at least I hope he wasn't arguing that. We know dark matter OR SOME UNKNOWN MATTER is there that we label dark matter. We don't know what it is, and can't see it or detect it due to our instruments. Same with dark energy as well. They are concepts and labels on an unknown force. When it finally is discovered, it will no longer be called dark matter, we will either have a new name for the one force, or many new names for all the different types of "dark(unseen)" matter.

Ronald Lyons 3 days ago

With the supposed "discovery" of the Higgs boson in larger quantities than predicted, have we at last found the source of dark matter?

And, is dark matter, being made up of Higgs bosons, sitting around in empty space, waiting for a stray gamma ray burst to supply enough energy for god to form "real' particles?

We could have "Mini Bangs" filling up every corner of our expanding Universe.
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James Campbell 2 days ago

Dark Matter and Dark Energy is a label we put on matter and energy we know is there, but can not detect. i love that the person above you said dark matter hasn't been proven because the point of it being called dark matter is it is unproven what it is, just that something is there which is undetectable in any current instruments, at least for what we have observed thus far.

We know that there is a force that is causing the expansion of our universe because if you take dark matter/energy(or that force) out of the picture then the universe SHOULD collapse in on itself about 3 billion years ago, it wouldn't of won the gravity war and re-collapsed into the singularity. However it didn't and that can only be fueled by a large force, and that large force is what we describe as dark matter or energy.

We have testing enviroments such as one possible test for dark matter there is an area that is 2 km into the ground in a large chamber that is shielded from every particle except for the smallest and hardest to detect, and we have thousands of little cells made of germanium I believe which are cooled to as close to absolute zero as possible. Now the theory is, if a stray dark matter particle comes in contact with any particle is will cause a huge energy release heating up that particle a few degree which would become aparent and show indirect evidence of dark matter/energy.

See there is a lot of empty space, when I say empty space, I mean almost all particles are just empty space. The space between a proton and electron are so huge it's almost unimaginable. To the point that if we took out ALL empty space in all particles, the observable universe COULD be condensed into about a basket ball in size. Now this space only seems empty, in actuallity the reason empty space exists at all which by definition it should not exist is because what we THOUGHT was empty space actually is not. When quantum mechanics was discovered, and dark matter and energy discovered(Not the actual particles, when I say discovered I mean the fact we discovered somethings there, just not what) we built a very indepth model to describe what is happening on the smallest level, and what is happened is there is a constant shift of energy and to transfer this energy requires particles. There is litterally particles filling all points in space, and at any time these particles blink in and out of existence. They are known as virtual particles. These virtual particles explain force carriers and the process by which force gets distributed, and also vacuum space(empty space).

We have observed them indirectly through some expierments.

So what we thought was empty space is not empty space and I do not know entirely the subject I will admit I have a basic understanding, but to my understanding
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James Campbell 2 days ago

Opps forgot to add, to my understanding this is what science has to say on the subject, whether it's ultimately true or not is irrlevant to what we take today. I like when people discredit things because one thing is unknown, such as people saying dark matter has not been proven. That's true, it hasn't been proven to what dark matter is, just that it's there. It doesn't even have to be new matter. It's just that the universe from the observable matter is inconsistant unless the universe has about 4 times the matter it has now, which clearly by observing it does not have enough matter for relativity to be correct. Though through observations we already know we are not observing all matter, some matter doesn't relfect light, some moons/planets that are to small to be observed etc etc etc are all "dark matter".

Tim Allgeier 3 days ago

Gee I cant wait. They'll make a detection capacitive lense duplication, point it at us thru radio telescopes, antennaes and cell arrays and turn themselves an undetectable bowel of life energies.
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Tim Allgeier 3 days ago

INTO more so......

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  1. what the heck? Teacher may I go home now...my brain is full.