What do you call this delightful literary device below? Is
it a partial couplet; a prose piece, an introduction to a
poem, or a syntatic summary widdle? Whatever it is it
spruces the gooses with many juices. An amazingly original
work with occulded genius behind the pen with the big
cheshire cat grin. I know that grin! "Love it!". Jane
Jones--- In mikeswritingworkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce
Hamilton"
>
> I LIKE YOUR DOUBTS ABOUT MY MEMORY
> I like your doubts about my memory --
> a fact, of sorts, I picture fuzzily.
>
Dear Gayle: Not only are you describing my conundrum to a
"tee" you sound like a soul-sister double; a twin.
Mornings are always the best time to write. The newness of
the day, the awakening from the creative dreams which are
so much better than reality. Quiet time when no body will
miss me. No coffees and cereals or eggs and toast to get
ready for a few hours anyway. Then you have the intrusions
of life and all creative processes halting to a grinding
stop. Until you can squeeze in a couple of moments to
regurge, recreate, or something or someone stimulates some
part of the memory banks, or the creative centre and you
just have to find a pen and paper to write it all down. And
then suddenly, something else must be done, appointments to
keep, etc.
I swear I will purchase a mini taperecorder as my fleeting
thoughts while doing fifty million other jobs are just
that; fleeting and all too soon forgotten forever. Yes, I
also relate to Dianne Keaton, and I think I look like her.
I act the same way, probably think the same way. I even
dated a Woody Allen double.
Thank-goodness I do get a lot of creative impetus from
others, from the media, mostly from dreams, or my rich
"Walter Mitty" fantasy world. Middle age has created a lot
of regret of "haven't done that" as well as successfully
satisfying feelings "I did that, done that".
Strange parallaxes in this world. Interfacing and
interconnecting series of dot matrixes all formulating from
one core creative centre. Writers have a lot more in common
then we can realize. That's why so many new original ideas
are sponaneously created often only minutes apart. The
collective unconscious of Carl Jung. He may just have
caught onto something.
For me, I hope to find more time to find speedier fingers.
What's wrong with this keyboard, no rhythm, no rythm! Jane
Jones--- In mikeswritingworkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Gayle
Hedrington"
>
> It is my habit or should I say was my habit, to write in
the mornings from 7-noon. Then several things happened, an
appointment, a meeting etc.. that came during that time. I
tried to make up my writing time in the evening but all I
wrote was crap. It wasn't writers block, just lousy words
and thinking.
>
> Then came a couple of other events that took me outside
my writing zone. Very nice social events that I love
because I get to meet new people and in the long run it
helps my creative process. Now it's the long weekend and
everyone is home and I haven't had the quiet time that I
need. I also find that when I do not write, I am
miserable.
>
> On Saturday I watched the movie Something's Gotta Give
three times. I never watch a movie more than once and it
always bothers me when people keep watching the same movie
over and over again. I really identified with Dianne
Keaton in her role when she said I'm a writer I spend most
of my time alone. How can I meet someone? or something
similar. I also identified with her as she cried while
writing, I often do this..
>
> So now I am wondering this. How do I get back into my
groove,and do I have to be a hermit in order to write? I
know it is discipline, and I screwed up today. I slept
until 10:30 something I haven't done in years and years.
>
> Do any of you go through this?
>
> Thanks
> Gayle
>
> Writing
> Bluestockings a woman's literary blog
> http://jerzegirl.blogspot.com
>
> Slake a coffee break in a world too busy
> http://jerzegurl.livejournal.com
>
> Sunacom - Your place on the web for news in the Lake
Sunapee Area
> http://sunacom.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Dear Bruce: The analogous reference to "trimming" the
hedge gives me a Ponderosa moment. All those past, unkept
and unkempt hedges in our mind. Those hedges which block
our past incongruities and lack of free-flow graces. The
hedges which need a trim cause concern, because you know
they have to be "dealt with" sooner or later. The hedges
are craving (how do hedges crave? we crave to put the order
into the hedge). At this point, we realize "oh I must do it
now, I am late trimming the hedge" so we "shake" the hedge
(is this DH Lawrence?) and then give up "forsaking". The
hedges with personification "prefer" this "shaking".
Catching the "digress" of the making too much from a hedges
feeling, I believe the hedge represents someone, and is no
longer just a "thing". You tell the hedge "you branch out"
try to find new things to make the core different, but only
"slightly" does a person change their core being. Excellent
contrast, and comparison shopping! Its spruced up the hedge
now! Looking forward to more trims! Jane Jones--- In
mikeswritingworkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hamilton"
>
> THE HEDGES
> The hedges crave trimming, I guess,
> yet, since I'm quite lost in distress,
> I'll give them some shaking
> and then much forsaking,
> as if they prefer I digress.
>
> You branch out, but slightly. -- bh
>
Dear Carol: An amazing sight, thank-you. The Sand In My Bra
and the Touch of Fire are amazing books. Cannot wait to
read them! This thread about which aspect of writing is
important in a novel is giving me many new ideas, and I
thank-you all for this lesson. This has been a concern of
mine for awhile. Where should the focus be? On the scene,
the setting, characters. When is the "focus" important as
to the "second by second" description or action. It seems
to calibrate all very nicely in good writing. It will be a
joy to immerse myself once again in other's works, to feel
the flow of the masters here. Thanking you for your
abundant "joie de vivre" in writing, that's what makes it
work. The "liveness" test! It's ALIVE! Jane Jones --- In
mikeswritingworkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"
>
>
> I finally DID find the link for the description, with
reference Maya's book---actually it was a guest blog on:
>
> http://www.mariazannini.blogspot.com/
>
> And it was a post on building suspense, the blog for
April 22. It is worth finding---it has stuck in my mind so
strongly, as it has such good, simple tips about keeping
the characters in an everyday world, with a simple touch.
>
> A really good blog, very informative.
>
> --Carol
>
>
>
> --- In mikeswritingworkshop@yahoogroups.com,
"mayareynoldswriter"
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Carol: While I don't remember the conversation, I do
agree that endless description will knock a reader right
out of a story.
> >
> > In my non-fiction reading, I want lots of description.
In my fiction reading, I hate it. I much prefer dialogue
to narrative--both as a reader and as a writer.
> >
> > As a teen, I swore off James Michener because of his
long-winded descriptions. By contrast, I've always loved
the spare purity of Hemingway's writing. Hemingway never
used a word unless it was absolutely necessary.
> >
> > Right now, I'm about halfway through Lee Child's newest
release--a reward to myself for doing the booksigning
yesterday. Child has replaced Robert B. Parker as my
favorite mystery writer. Both write in first person. Both
keep descriptions to a minimum. And both write superb
dialogue.
> >
> > It comes down to a matter of personal preference. I
write enough description to orient my readers to time and
place, but try to keep the focus on the characters and the
action.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Maya
> > http://www.mayareynoldswriter.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In mikeswritingworkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm trying to remember who posted this once---I want
to say it was Maya.
> > > But I'm curious about how MUCH description is
absolutely necessary in a
> > > story.
> > >
> > > By description, I don't only mean "visuals" of
everything in a
> > > surrounding. I mean, more or less, the events,
activities, actions, etc.
> > >
> > > I think it was Maya who commented that, in her book
(Bad Boy or Bad
> > > Girl), she didn't feel the need for lengthy monologue
about what the
> > > characters were doing, every little thing. She said
she kept it simple,
> > > only what was necessary to tell WHAT they were doing.
And I thougt it
> > > might be you, Maya, becase (if I'm not mistaken),
your book did read
> > > very pure, keeping to the essential elements of the
story and the
> > > characters; but enough description to be very clear.
> > >
> > > I find my writing is much the same---and sometimes I
wonder if I need to
> > > beef it up more. When I read in other writings
lengthy, drawn-out
> > > accounts of everything they did, everything they saw,
ate, watched,
> > > touched, a long, drawn-out history of every place
they walked---a
> > > second-by-second detail, I get turned off and skip on
to their dialogue.
> > >
> > > I think what I'm saying is that my writing is heavy
dialogue, tidbits of
> > > monologue, and basic action. I DO try to describe
the aura, the
> > > surrouding, primarily because it's set it 1945
Hollywood and I need to
> > > paint the era.
> > >
> > > As usual, I'm not sure I'm making sense. But am I
the only one who
> > > prefers minimal description? Just sort of cut-to-
the-chase story
> > > telling keeps me interested. The meat of the story.
Is minimal
> > > description okay? Oh, god, I hope so.
> > >
> > > Anybody else have thoughts on this?
> > >
> > > --Carol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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themote:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/spacecraft/q0260.shtml
Me: hey
themote: howdy
Me: i caught tail end of lift off
8 mins into
themote: almost done by then
how did you like their gravity meter?
Me: what was that thing "hangin' down"?
ha!
themote: that's their gravity meter, a toy on a rubber band
Me: llike their laptop "clipboard" (joke)
russia too cheap to give them a dell?
themote: the clipboard has the launch checklist on it
Me: what are we back in the 60's?
themote: astronauts use a similiar checklist, strapped to
their legs in book form
Me: ok i guess...
rolls eyes
i thought everything was computerized
i guess not
themote: Soyuz is a very reliable spacecraft, so they
haven't changed it's basic design
Me: looks powerful...wonders how the g's felt today
themote: quite a bit more than a shuttle
the last major design change was the TMA model, it was
modified to allow for taller US astronauts
Me: really?
how come their legs arched
to get the g blood up
themote: best position for handling the higher G forces
Me: yes
i thought so acts like those g suits of fighter pilots
is that sand they use?
themote: sand?
Me: weighted somehow
themote: where?
Me: the legs
themote: no
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Russian_
space_suit_1.jpg
you may be talking about the bunched up material at the
legs
Me: the strap on weighted leather leggings
suppose to bring the blood back up to the heart cause it
pools at high g in the legs
themote: a G suit uses rubber bladders to expand and
contract as G forces change
the G suits fighter pilots wear now are ripstop Nylon
encasing the rubber bladders
Me: oh..ok i wasnt sur
weight probably wouldnt help
pressure though would
themote: no, the G forces give them plenty of "weight"
Me: yes
themote: did you get the picture of the SOKOL suit?
Me: in a minute..ty...making eggs
so java is made by sun microsystems?
themote: yes
Java is a browser enhancement allowing for a variety of
operations within a Web page
usually some kind of visual or multimedia presentation
Web pages are written in HTML or Hyper Text Markup Language
Java adds capability to the HTML
Microsoft has their own version of Java, but most power
users download Java directly from Sun
Me: thanks for the bucket pic...that looks ridiculous...but
if it works..hey!
themote: shuttle astronauts launch in the same position
with a little more legroom
Me: whats that wierd soyus spacecraft...?
looks like a computer part
ty that's cool futurist stuff
themote:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/So
yuz_TMA-7_spacecraft2edit1.jpg/800px-Soyuz_TMA-
7_spacecraft2edit1.jpg
Me: did Galileo burn up in Jupiters atmosphere?
themote: that's the Soyuz TMA
yes
Me: why did it...?
themote: done on purpose
Me: reasonng?
themote: the controlled entry allowed Earth-based
spectrographs to study the atmosphere of Jupiter
Me: ohhh so what were there findings
themote: I don't know specifically what they found
Me: summary please?
themote: I'm sure it gave them a better understanding of
it's altitude, density and makeup
Me: ok
themote: did you get the picture of the Soyuz?
Me: not sure of the conc
yes
jiffypop
themote: about 24½ feet long and 9 feet in diameter
Me: huge
themote: the wingspan of the solar arrays is 35 feet
Me: where's the docking end
many similarities to NASA?
would designers collaborate?
two pods
organic
themote: no similarity to the shuttle
Me: no
themote: 3 sections
the Orbital Module is in the front
the Reentry Module in the middle
Me: sort of reminds me of those kleenex ghosts we made and
huge on trees
themote: Service Module in the rear (with the solar arrays)
Me: round
again the idea that round is best suited to space
themote: the shape of the vehicle only matters in the
atmosphere
Me: coming through the atmosphere the round shape would
deflect..thus the saucer shape?
themote: the Reentry Module is what they return in, the
rest is jettisoned before they land
Me: deflect the plasma reentry
oh
themote: here's a pic of the Reentry or "descent" module
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Soyuz-
TMA_descent_module.jpg
Me: ty!
themote: here's another view
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/So
yuz_TMA-6_spacecraft.jpg/800px-Soyuz_TMA-6_spacecraft.jpg
Me: the middle descends
odd
themote: it has the heat shield on the flat end
Me: so it has to be flat?
themote: closer to "slightly rounded"
Me: like a saucer?
they figured that out way back in the 50"s?
themote:
http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/gal114/SpaceRace/images/
soyuztm.jpg
that's a photo of a module after it landed, pretty toasted
the rounded surface provides aerodynamic stability
Me: ty
themote: touchdown of a Soyuz
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/04/photogaller
ies/week-in-space-pictures-38/images/primary/090414-05-
soyuz-landing_big.jpg
Me: definitely see the burn from reentry...like a
meteorites have that burnt reentry...amazing
themote: in that last one, the dust cloud is created by
small rockets fired 3 seconds before touchdown
they slow it down in those last few seconds fromo about 60
MPH to 20 MPH
Me: really that much huh
those rocket burst do a lot
themote: quite a jolt when they land so they have specially
molded seat liners to absorb some of the shock
Me: looks like some greek helmet the soyuz capsule
themote: when a new ISS crewman comes up on a shuttle,
their transfer to the ISS is not offical until their custon
seat liner is onbaord the Soyuz
Me: wonders if it is better to land on earth or in the sea?
or glider>?
themote: a shuttle landing is a whole lots smoother
Me: why custom, that there is no give a cushion of air for
the aircushion is butt specific?
themote: it's custom molded to fit their body
Me: could there be a glider capsule oneday
themote: they've experimented with smaller versions of
shuttles, Congress keeps pulling the funding for them
though
Me: really, why?
themote: the X-38 has been killed by Congress 2 or 3 times
because politicians are idiots
Me: the missile X38?
themote: experimental spacecraft
Me: what's the experiment?
the idea of reuseability must be saving money with the
shuttle?
is the bottom line money with X38?
themote: no, it's about 10 times more expensive than an
expendable rocket
Me: the shuttle is expensive
themote: very
Me: so why did they keep it
themote: somewhere north of $500 million per launch
because of it's versatility
Me: how much to launch X38? for example
themote: well, they never became operational, so hard to
tell how much they would have cost per launch
Me: ok
do you have pic of X38?
themote: would have been cheaper than a shuttle because
they were planned to be launched on an expendable rocket
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/x/x38c.jpg
Me: ty
themote: think of it as a shuttle without the cargo bay
was meant to carry 7 people to and from orbit
Me: why so many? crews?
themote: yes, could carry a complete ISS expedition crew at
once
Me: so all this 7 is set up for future expedition..very
advanced thinking
One Day You Will Go To The Moon! That was a book I read as
a kid and thought, yah, ok!
themote: well, now that the project is dead, crews will be
6-man, using 2 Soyuz instead of 1 X-38
Me: 3 per soyuz?
themote: yes
Me: that's it?
themote: that's it, just like today
Me: that's expensive in the long run isnt it?
all those launches
themote: Soyuz is much cheaper to operate
Me: not 500 mil?
themote: $50-60 million per launch
Me: 1/10th ok
then the rubble is that much cheaper than the dollar?
themote: well, both costs are in dollars
Me: US dollars?
themote: would probably be in the billions of rubles
Me: what other kind!
uh huh
no doubt expensive for them (russians)
still and all, can the russians afford?
themote: the main problem is keeping the Soyuz production
line running on schedule
Me: do the russians get money from US?
themote: yes, cash and barter
a lot of the ISS project runs on barter
Me: why prob with soyuz production?
barter?
themote: typically they produce 2 Soyuz per year, now they
will have to supply 4 per year
Me: so paying the employees a big prob
themote: barter - trading goods for goods
as opposed to buying for cash
Me: yes, i get it ...if you want this give us that?
what are we bartering..new tech?
themote: in trade for carrying Japanese astronauts to the
ISS, the US gets rack space in the Japanese lab
Me: oooh rack space
themote: in exchange for Americans going up in the Soyuz,
the US carries Russian crews and supplies up on the shuttle
Me: unbalanced trade..or trade deficit...could counter this
to pay back deficit
so tit for tat
themote: in many cases, yes
Me: money doesnt always seem to work...now..has this always
been the case?
themote: there are still cash purchases, such as the US
paying to build the Russian Zarya module
Me: really?
so the us is big dealer in the soyuz program, maybe 50
percent?
themote: and Boeing sub-contracted the Harmony module out
to Italy
Me: wow
i didnt know this
tu
ty
themote: the MPLM's were also built in Italy
Canada traded the robot arms for shuttle flights for its'
astronauts
taking Payette up in the shuttle next month is part of the
payment for the arms
if I remember correctly, the Thirsk flight up on the Soyuz
was contracted some years ago, so his seat only cost around
$20 million
going rate for a Soyuz seat now is $51 million
Me: well that is in the spirit of cooperation..next ship
The USS Cooperatiion (note Coop to make the Russians happy)
hah
rses there
and "USS-r?
one big happy family...
i like that
as long as no dr evils
themote:
Me: had to load wash
sometimes this chat slow
themote: just the nutcase in North Korea
Me: yeah, really whats up with Ill jong kim?
he's Ill alright
themote: personally, I think he has syphillus and it's gone
to his brain
Me: whats to be done...kim jong ill...is mentally ill
yes..it could be... hub thinks he needs a jackal type of
experience
themote: I think the Russians and Chinese are starting to
get tired of this nuisance in their own backyard
Me: like we dont need any more nuke testing underground
causing more tsnamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc, etc...
themote: well, they don't cause volcanoes
Me: kim jong ill mad with power
no? volcanoes eh? ok
they cannot be good for the tectonic plates
themote: and even the undersea tests never caused any
significant tsunamis
it would take a whole lot of bombs to bother the plates
Me: it may be the fact it took that long for the undersea
bed to crash, but it may have happened anyway..
have you seen the new bombs, they neutron bombs. destroy
planets
themote: neutron bombs are mostly anit-personnel bombs,
they don't have much destructive force
Me: oh i have it all wrong
never mind
themote: they emit a huge gamma ray bursts that kill off
any life and leave most of the infrastructure intact
Me: Quantum Leap about the cold war...early 60's
gamma ray.do computers do that?
themote: there is no single bomb that could take out an
entire planet, except on Star Trek or something
Me: yes, ok
unless new discovery, like the CERN accelerator..new tech
themote: no, computers don't create gamma radiation
Me: ok just i guess i got dizzy
i am sure there are these secret weapons...only to be used
if...
if what?
last case scenario
who is more dangerous? man vs man or man vs nature?
themote: there are many exotic weapons being researched,,,
lasers, particle beams, microwave etc.
Me: probably mid life...no secret weapon...although it
feels like it
ahah
themote: even sonic weapons are used on many cruise ships
to deter pirates
Me: yes? huh
themote: like a bullhorn on steroids
Me: i heard they have those outsdie variety stores like 7-
11
deter kids loitering
themote: kids, pirates, same thing
Me: high pitch
ya...
so that is the new HARPP?
themote: no
Me: oh
weapons tech is too heavy for me and most unpleasant to
think about...
are they gun free in space?
no space turkeys
if there is a vac in space conventional weapons wouldnt
work
themote: a pistol is standard equipment on most spacecraft
Me: really?
themote: just in case they land in a remote region
Me: in case of space psychosis draw your weapons
or martians
themote: they are under lock and key, accessible only to
the commander
Me: i knew it!
must look like a jetson gun
themote: ???
plain old pistol
Me: ok how can you fire in a vacuum the vacuum would put
out the fire of the trigger
themote: I think a 9mm is what the Russians carry
not meant to be fired in a vacuum
Me: that would be like cowboys in space (already done)
themote: it's a survival tool in case they land in a remote
region of Earth
Me: not another airplane series in space..hijacking..hahah
take me to your leader
unbelievable (to quote the cosmonauts)
need to find plasma guns for space
how to put plasma rays in a gun...then...oh how much fun!
haha
silly
well back to work usually
same old
raining here
have a wonderful day in space
themote: adios
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